tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12623101.post2171482096103045354..comments2023-06-25T09:40:13.649-05:00Comments on Russell Glasser's blog: State of the Democratic primary, part 2: Hillary Clinton on LGBT rightsAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12623101.post-26860502905207740972016-03-10T08:37:55.374-06:002016-03-10T08:37:55.374-06:00”No... I praise people for coming to support good ...”No... I praise people for coming to support good conclusions, even if they should have understood those conclusions sooner.”<br /><br />I am thinking you are talking about people changing their minds in general, which I agree with you on the people for praising (to a point) when they support good conclusions as well. But it was a two part question really when I asked how do you know they are not doing it for the votes. And I don't know if Hillary did this for them or not, but she was a supporter of traditional marriage for a much longer period of time than she is supportive of gay rights now. So maybe she could have come around and thought that they deserve equal respect as well. But then again, she could have done it for the votes, or that she has seen this "war on the gay marriage" was a losing battle for people like her and so she changed her minds. Who knows, maybe it's a combination of them all and even more. Where as Sanders has been supportive of gay rights the whole time. And as you said, maybe someone like him could go against it by finding Jesus. I wouldn't change my mind with something so absurd with this idea of a Jesus figure who supposedly loves everyone, except gays (and many others). I come to my conclusions by thinking and researching what other people say on matters. So if I do change my mind on a subject, it's after long periods of thought, dialogue, and research, it won't be something as stupid as a revelation.<br /><br />"Oh? I'd be interested in you supplying that direct quote, so we can compare it to things that Trump is making now."<br /><br />Okay, so I may be over the top when I say she was as extreme as Trump when she was a traditionalist. But her long support of it because of stupid reasons was what I was mostly pointing out. Most people who support such absurd ideas normally (in my cases) do not change their minds through reason, it's only by changing their minds on what their god is actually saying because someone told them they are reading the Bible wrong or taking something out of context. So all you have to do for people like this, is try to tell them their god isn't telling them gay people are bad, they are reading the wrong passages. Or maybe that the gay people are in fact bad, but they still need loving. Which makes it sound like they must be nice to them for their "daddy" because he said so.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11132157257942851076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12623101.post-79902241779401157202016-03-08T10:54:45.668-06:002016-03-08T10:54:45.668-06:00"So wait... you praise people just for changi..."So wait... you praise people just for changing their minds on some issues?"<br /><br />No... I praise people for coming to support <i>good conclusions</i>, even if they should have understood those conclusions sooner.<br /><br />"Would this include Trump if he changed his mind on the issue of gay rights?"<br /><br />Assuming you mean that Donald Trump is currently against gay rights, and he changed his mind and became an advocate for them... then yes, absolutely. I would find that change praiseworthy. It wouldn't necessarily be enough to overcome all the other things I find objectionable and even frightening about Trump. But it would make him a little less objectionable.<br /><br />"How do you know then that they aren't just trying to get votes?"<br /><br />I don't know that. And I also don't know that they won't change their mind back. But then, I also don't know that a lifelong supporter of gay rights won't have a come to Jesus moment and become an opponent. I can't predict whether you'll change YOUR mind.<br /><br />If it turns out that someone did change their mind to get votes, it may not be as good as if they changed their mind for better reasons. But at least I can feel good about the fact that our society on the whole has advanced to the point where supporting gay rights is now a net positive for gaining votes, when it used to be a campaign loser instead. And good for the candidate for recognizing and embracing that progress.<br /><br />"Especially because she sounded just like Trump, or rather Trump sounds like her, when she was a traditionalist back in her earlier career."<br /><br />Oh? I'd be interested in you supplying that direct quote, so we can compare it to things that Trump is making now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05324968314168283095noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12623101.post-80342731501576939202016-03-08T10:43:45.934-06:002016-03-08T10:43:45.934-06:00So wait...you praise people just for changing thei...So wait...you praise people just for changing their minds on some issues? Would this include Trump if he changed his mind on the issue of gay rights? How do you know then that they aren't just trying to get votes? I'm not exactly saying that Hillary is doing this, but the fact that she has not acknowledged that she was wrong leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Especially because she sounded just like Trump, or rather Trump sounds like her, when she was a traditionalist back in her earlier career. I feel people who do not acknowledge what they did was wrong, will never truly learn from their mistakes and they can make the same mistakes again. I have a friend who does this, and she continues to make the same mistakes because she refuses to say she was wrong. They eventually fall into a state of denial where they try to justify their wrongdoing by trying to shift the blame, pretend they didn't do it, or even worse, resort to ignorance.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11132157257942851076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12623101.post-76064615487559783242016-03-07T12:27:33.808-06:002016-03-07T12:27:33.808-06:00If it so happens that Sanders makes it no further,...If it so happens that Sanders makes it no further, I definitely agree. She's definitely a better choice than any of the republicans, though I guess that's not saying much! Bernie will have my support in every way I can give it until he's either out or no longer needs it, but if he drops out, it'll have to go to her.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04843523609074232431noreply@blogger.com